Poll: What Did You Think of Negan’s Fate?

Wow….

I must admit that i find this shocking….

So many people who cant see that this is rape.

You rape callers are acting like a bunch of pansies. Negan was not a rapist. In the Savior’s universe, it’s his way or the highway. All of his wives chose the easy route, and continuously chose being Negan’s whore/wife in exchange for food/shelter/safety,etc. Any one of them could leave at any time and go back to working. What’s working? Who knows? Cooking the meals, manning an outpost, cleaning the base. Whatever it is, it isn’t lounging around in lingerie all day, chatting with your cowives. These ladies turned their backs on their husbands in exchange for the easy life. Negan may be a monster for facilitating a place like that, but one thing he. is. not! is a mutherf**king rapist.

I agree. Rape is rape no matter who is raped, innocent, whore, man, woman, child. It is what it is. If you’re not consenting on your own free will, it’s rape. If you’re coerced to say yes because you fear your life or your quality of life… That. Is. Rape.

I went back & I think what would really clarify things in this apocalyptic world would be an insight to what the alternatives would be for the women. If they would rather be with Negan instead of cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc. then yeah, there’s some serious pimping/whoring going on and shame on them! But, given Negan’s nature and the way we can see how he talks to the Saviors and treats them, I’m thinking these women wouldn’t up & leave their husbands & a few chores to go join other women in a whorish situation with the likes of Negan.
Maybe Dwight has an arc that sheds light on what was really happening there.
Still, I respect your opinion & I know where you’re coming from.

They couldn’t go back once they chose to be Negan’s wife. Case in point Dwight’s iron face and the other girl Amber’s husband who got iron faced. Negan is a manipulator and hell yeah he totally raped these women. He gave them no choice. He just said that he did. If they needed to eat and have shelter for themselves and their real husbands, what other choice did these women have? If we knew more about this point system and what Negan was withholding from these people I think it would be much clearer, but seriously, I truly believe that scene when he was stopping that one asshole from raping Holly it was pure irony because he was saying they are not rapists or monsters when he most obviously is the King Monster. That’s how screwed up Negan is.That’s why that scene is one I’ll never forget because he doesn’t even realize what he is…He justifies his actions to come off as some Big Savior when all he’s doing is using these people for his own benefit. Dwight even mentions that it was his wife’s idea to “volunteer” so the conditions in the Sanctuary must have been really, really bad for her to feel like she had to volunteer. I would hope my husband would tell me HELL NO if I was that desperate to consider being Negan’s wife an option, but that’s how much power he had over these people and the amount of fear he held over their heads. Again, that’s why I’ve said in my other posts Negan legit freaked me out compared to the governor. The governor was crazy violent, especially with Michonne, but Negan really took the cake with violence, abuse, manipulation, and being a psychopath. He really scared me.

According to the above video…
Rape is when someone uses their power, manipulation or force to intimidate, degrade or control another. Rape has been used as a weapon in war, in racial violence and in everyday life. Rape diminishes a person’s dignity and their human right’s to safety.

Okay, I get it according to this definition, rape is when you use force or threat of force to control someone. So a mugger robbing his victim at gun-point is raping that person? So if a college student is bullying someone, they are using threat of force to diminish a person’s dignity, they are raping the person they bully?

According to this broad definition of rape, then yes, Negan was indeed a rapist, not just to his “wive’s”, but to all the Savior’s. Really Negan was raping everyone in every settlement in the DC area. But was he executing sexual violence upon his “wive’s”, I would argue that he was not. I would implore you to research the definition of rape and remind everyone that the word “rape” shouldn’t be casually used or thrown around. Equating bullying with rape, as the above video purports to do weakens the power of the word when used to actually describe a rapist or an actual physical manifestation of sexual violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

??? I listen. I hear what you are saying, and I am having trouble processing it. I see it, I mean being a Savior in general is not healthy. Being Negan’s kept woman in that small, closed society couldn’t have been good. I know you and I have a difference of opinion concerning whether Negan’s “wive’s” could leave him. (I think you are falsely reading between the lines) I think that’s wherein the difference of perception lies. In your interpretation of the world, Negan had manipulated these women in to thinking they had to become his concubine, otherwise they would probably starve to death or be eaten by zombies. Then he basically keeps them in line by disfiguring their previous lovers with hot irons. Where they don’t feel like they have a choice, even though they are being offered one. In this perception, Dwight would be working with the Survivor’s to shut down ‘Saddam’s rape rooms’ and free his wife from her abject slavery.
In my interpretation of the world, the Savior’s are basically a raider gang, their entire tribal policy involves raiding and extorting from local tribes. I’ve never seen a detailed breakdown of the point system the Savior’s use, but it’s basically their currency system. (I’m thinking back to an early glimpse of the Savior camp where two of them were talking about the mattresses, one of them wishing he had enough points saved up to procure one.) So it seems to me that Negan’s “wives” had chosen to be his concubine, in exchange for a life with material needs met without having to participate in the barter system. If one of them ever get’s caught sleeping with someone else, they could leave Negan’s harem and go be with that person, the catch being they are back on the point system. This would cause quite a lot of subdued rage when previous wives decide having their lover’s faces mutilated wasn’t worth leaving the life of “relative privilege” Negan’s harem represented. In my interpretation, Dwight is teaming up with the Survivor’s to destroy Negan’s system that destroyed his life.
But I’m pretty sure now that Dwight is running the Savior camp (assumed), he isn’t getting back together with her. I’m pretty sure he hate’s her and partially blames her for his face. So we’ll just have to wait and see how the story with Dwight and his ex-wife will progress.

Yes, that’s right he did call her a bitch. I almost forgot because when he was telling Rick why he needed to end Negan he made it sound like he wanted his wife back, but maybe he just wants revenge and their relationship is toast already. Ohhh the drama!

Dave, I didn’t feel the need to reply to you because your posts were so self-righteous. You weren’t part of the conversation so much as you were a troll, or a teenager who is unable to discuss such a nuanced and complex issue.
If you’ll notice from the entirety of my posts, the reason of my defense of that monster Negan was because I am entirely opposed to sexual violence and in my opinion, people describing the Negan harem as rape diluted the powerful essence of the word.
If the act of bullying someone, or the act of mugging someone is considered a rape of their dignity or a rape of their finances, where does that leave an actual rape victim, one who was coerced or forced to engage in unwanted sexual activity with another? Your video got it wrong as my simple Wikipedia search proved. Additionally, your comment’s show little capacity of the human ability to listen, integrate that information in to the conversation, and then respond based on the new, advanced discussion.
I’ve already explained my position enough that the rational actors have already reached a consensus that we’ll have to wait and see how Dwight’s relationship with Sherry will play out for us to have a greater understanding of what kind of society the Savior’s were operating. In the meantime, I suggest you reread the posts on here, especially my comparison of the two divergent theory’s on the Negan harem. After that, reread the Walking Dead parts dealing with the Saviors. Pay close attention to when Dwight shares his situation with Rick, and the scene when a new wife’s ex is branded.
This will be my last post addressing this issue on this thread.

This is a dead thread. Just wait and see, Dave.

Are you saying Negan just has a strong pimp hand ?

You in here now, buddy! Bring on the joy!

What do you think was making me feel uncomfortable?

No that wasn’t it maybe one day I will speak on it but it was peoples views on the subject not the subject itself.

On the subject my first question is what are we talking about morals, zombie apocalypse or law ?

Left some out the definition of the word ? Is Negan a rapist and can he be a rapist in one scenario and not the other ? Can you answer these questions for me please ?

I respect you and your opinion there is no wrong answer in my book it’s all love .

Damn, that went out?

Na, man, give us the Kid-n-Play thing! High Top!

I’m gonna start wearing just one glove …. Do you know where I can find a mesh tank top ?

xD xD xD What kinda str8 guy asks that???? WOWIE!

Wait…. you just posted this to me:
“If you were comfortable with your gender identity you wouldn’t be so standoffish.”

You’re Clementine’s age, aren’t you? This side of the this website is not for you, honey! Rated M

After Carl was found in the Sanctuary gunning down his men and Negan took him on a tour of the factory, do you recall the scene with Amber I think her name was before he iron faced her husband? Dwight’s wife kept telling Negan to forgive her or to leave her alone. The husband got caught with her so Negan iron faced him. Negan says that his wives chose to be with him by their own choice, but ultimately they were coerced by so-called incentives of having more points for food or a “better way of living,” but in exchange they could only be with Negan, not to mention they were dressed like prostitutes publicly too! He said he wouldn’t stand for his wives cheating on him. He even fucked with her saying, “Sure go be with so and so, but you can’t cheat on me!” His character shows in the way he spoke to her: condescending and dismissive. Putting words in her mouth about what she’s supposed to be doing and how to be loyal to him. When she said, “I’m sorry. I love you Negan,” it gave me CHILLS! He’s a master abuser! When he explains to Carl that he could do whatever he wanted and there is no society to make him follow any rules so he decided to make his own rules and have more than one wife because he’s always wanted to fuck many women is another indicator that he thinks he’s invincible. The whole thing cries RAPE. Rape is not just physical abuse, it is also emotional and verbal as well as down right manipulation. If you ever watched SVU, there are domestic rape cases where husbands don’t think they are raping the woman (wife) because their wives HAVE to have sex with them because of the title of marriage, which is completely wrong! Even if you’re married to someone you can’t force them to have sex with you. You can still say no. Of course, we could get into religion and cultural explanations of what is culturally acceptable, etc. but that’s just another whole can of worms. Bottom line is to me Negan is just a psychopath and he justifies his actions, hence him naming his group the Saviors. He thinks he’s helping people by killing the undead for them even if he is taking half of their supplies. He doesn’t see that what he’s doing is for his own benefit or that he is the cause of halting civilization until he has that confrontation with Rick at the end. The All Out War story arc and Negan’s characterization would be a great study for a Women’s Studies or Psychology course; another reason why we need a Negan feature issue! What’s got him being so fucked up? It could just be simply he’s insane, but I would love to know how and why he got to where he is when his character was introduced. Although the governor was just as fucked up in his own way, Negan really freaked me out when he was first brought into the story! I was legit afraid of him! When he killed Glenn that stayed with me for days! I couldn’t get the images and the scene out of my head. Bravo to the entire TWD team for creating such an unforgettable character. Scumbag isn’t even in the vicinity of what Negan is. He’s self-titled. People will be using “NEGAN” as an adjective to describe other horrendous people!